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| Bree - Do you believe that the photos of the deformed babies in the videos are fake?
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DaisyUnchained, it would have made a huge difference if the BBC and Simpson had taken one picture in Fallujah, Iraq. It would have been an easy thing to do given the three or four extra babies per day born with birth defects. The fact that it had been taken would have been more important than the picture itself.
Instead they just tell us what they have heard. This is hardly convincing, even of having an inquiry about modern weapons.
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Somehow, I doubt anyone can convince bree of any fact that she does not wish to see. In the last few years, this has been an obstacle insurmountable. She does have a point about no pictures, despite the fact that records in a nation like Iraq are not kept. Truth be known, and it is. Most babies born with severe deformities prior to the war, never lived to see the outside of the hospital. I do hope one day she sees that this is not only possible, but likely. She is a smart woman and needs to stop hiding behind the idea that the world will be shaped as she sees it.
If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true, is really true, there would be little hope of advance......
Orville Wright
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KestrelBrighteyes, any hack can put together a video of any type and put it on You Tube. I believe it was you who said so and you were right. Wikipedia is another often used source that is suspect.
Show me a picture that the BBC will put its prestige into.
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Bree....I may be wrong on this but the BBC have never really gone with the hardcore images. They don't usually publish the horrific images. Firstly its actual people and families and plastering the images of handicapped kids may be a little too much like sensationalism.
For me, if a trusted and reknown reporter is saying he is seeing this and that reporter has spent over 30 years in and out of that country, building up relationships, following the hospital care etc...and he says that there seems to be a sudden increase in his opinion and that his trusted sources are saying the same thing....well, I trust that. I personally do not need to see images of deformed children just to prove that they exist. They exist world wide, in my town, in yours....thats not the issue. The issue is whether there is an increase and if so, what that increase may be down to.
Like I said, publishing photo's doesn't prove that more children are born with the defects. A photo just proves one child was born with deformities. Two photo's prove two children were born etc.
this is just my opinion but it seems to be in bad taste to print a photo of someones deformity just so we the general public, in our nice houses with all our healthcare can sit back and say 'okay, so that kid was born deformed.....now prove thats an increase and that our weapons caused it'
No, sorry Bree....
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Lots of these images you can look at, DaisyUnchained. The greatest spike has apparently been in babies with congenital heart problems.
These images could have the Simpson and the BBC imprimatur.
Who took the picture is more important then what is in them.
In my book it is the end of an investigation. In your's it is the beginning of one.
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| 'winks at Bree' then we've hit an impasse 'l'
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Okay, so at first you wanted something that's not linked to the BBC because you didn't believe the reports..and I provided that.
So now you want photos that ARE from the BBC, which you said you didn't believe in the first place.
Okay, you want photos from the BBC - how about this one?
Or this? (You can't see very well in this pic, but if you look at some of the other pics and videos of the same kid, his fingers on both hands are sort of curved like an "S")
This?
Or how about a video?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8549745.stm
Now I couldn't find any that showed the internal birth defects - cardiac problems, brain damage, etc - or the children that didn't survive. But you wouldn't believe it happened anyway. The point is, a parade of children with birth defects followed by officials in the US government carrying signs that say, "We used weapons that cause birth defects and the chemicals went into the food and the water that the parents of these children ingested" could run over you in the street and you'd still be standing there pretending nobody but the BAD PEOPLE are harmed in a war.
And btw, not to belabor a point, but wasn't it you who said that all of my links pointed back to the BBC story? Or were they all "hacked" together to make the US and UK look bad?
Or are you retracting that statement now?
The investigation is not over - by ANY means. As Daisy said, this is just the beginning.
And when this comes to a head (which it will, especially once the US has left Iraq and they're not afraid to speak out), and when the official report says "birth defects caused by chemicals spread by US weapons", will you come back here and formally admit you were wrong?
I won't hold my breath.
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It is no impass..it is bree...she is always right and there is no saying otherwise.. the earth would shatter if she were wrong lol
If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true, is really true, there would be little hope of advance......
Orville Wright
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*laugh*
You've been listening to Kasteele too much, KestrelBrighteyes. I suggest that you go back and reread my posts.
You have all of them wrong.
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